Quotation: "stop imprudent hate-posts". - political correctness does not allow attention to that type of symbols turned into a popular, trendy, and commercially used "cool" symbols? I drew attention to the symbolism used as something "cool". That was delicate attention. So, which part of my post is "hate" based? In my Poland, those symbols are included into Criminal Code: - Article. 256 of the Criminal Code: "...production, consolidation, acquisition, storage, transmission, and finally, possession and presentation of printed material, recordings or other items of media symbolism Fascist, Communist or other totalitarian regimes, in order to distribute them, is a crime risk up to two years in prison...". Commemoration of the history - we must not forget. Shortness and commercialization for that type of symbols - this is not the right way... I hope to make myself clear. Greetings, Gabe

hey gabe, apologizes for my hyperbolic post in case of "imprudent hatepost". this was clearley useless. but the leftwing and/or leftideas are permantly targets of relativating them at least, or they get compared to fascism. thats wrong, and i get sick and vommiting about this. i see and understand your point of view, espacially in case of poland and its tragical history. however: gone systems called "communism" (eastblock) and socialism (especially GDR) weren`t neither communism nor socialism. but their symbols tell us of the willing to do things better. there would be much more stuff to talk about, but this is gnome-look.org and not philosophical-view.org. i got your point of view, i understand, no offense meant mate. greetings joe

Don't worry, I'm not angry or resentful. Cheers, Gabe :)

You know what they stand for, if you know you would not talk about it that way. The hammer and sickle stand for the poor proletarians who use this for their work. Communism wants to help the poor proletarians to make everything state property. Communism failed because the people who ¨Guard¨ the property are not perfect and it´s just true that humans can barely resist the attraction of power. That´s why i am a capitalist, be your own boss. But help other people who need it. And that last one is why i´m christian.

Sorry, but if you knew a bit more about those events, you would not talk about it that way. Simple and devoid of hostility parafraze, but appropriate. Political correctness is out of place here. I remember how it look like, how my Country was pacified and internally destroyed. Never again! This is logo, this is a breath of history, especially after all, what my Country went through from the communism and their bloody methods. People cry, when they see again that "logo" - "Sierp i młot" - "The hammer and sickle", they cry for their pacified families and pacified Country - pacified in new way - immediately after the World War 2. History need to be remembered, but I say NO for thoughtlessness and promote such values like this comunism logo. They are Countries, that communism internally emptied. One of them is my Country. History of my Country is very clear for that. I do not demand that those who do not have to deal with that are aware of how it all looked - like eyes inhabitant of the occupied country. Greetings for all. Gabe.

Sorry, i didn´t know you were involved in commmunism. And i know they did it the wrong way, communism failed in real life.

Most things you "knows" about USSR and communism is a lie.

For first - take a closer look at history of my Country, Poland. Take a closer look - for example: - pacification of Wujek (mine) - martial law in Poland - murdered Catholic priest - Jerzy Popiełuszko - who did that and why. Also - take a closer look for other events of this period - many developments have taken place over several decades. For second - I wrote my comments in the context of historical events that took place in my Country, not by events painted by some comedy films... It was not a movie, it was for real.

Do you probably hope I don't know Polish history? I know enough to compare - about Sanacja, Pacyfikacja, Miejsce Odosobnienia w Berezie Kartuskiej etc. "Horrors of the martial law" is a pale imitation of "Sanacja". But certainly it's impossible to compare the national heroes, cornerstone of the Polish State and faithful catholics and some nameless pentagram marked hellspawn, isn't it?

I look at these past events in the whole historical aspect - not only from the individual slices of history. And it scares me how easily something that is a testimony of past events, the symbolism of the past regime, policy or morbid desire to have power at any cost - how easy these small but significant pieces of the past events are often presented as the power of something "cool", the "innocent", outside the context of real past events. Perhaps, this is the result of that, what we see in Poland almost every day. Still. I do not expect that a nation whose history has not experienced the events that have affected my and the other nations must respond in a similar way as it does many of my countrymen and brothers in the history, but we can not allow these stretches of absolute whitewash from the history - simply - for a price increase in the demand or lack of awareness in topic of historical events. I can not afford to this by my lack of civil courage, by turning back only for my own peace of mind and the fear of "going out of line", the story of my country and fraternal countries, some dearly paid for value has become something as marginal as a stamp mark on the commercial product, setting its price as high as possible. Respects Gabe