Description: The guy that hosted the original Firefox & Thunderbird icons was caught by mozilla and forced to take them down. I however have put them back up, and was smarter about it, but I wont say how. *cough*fake info*cough* I managed to retain the 2.3 install instructions:
How to install 2.3: This theme can now be installed by simply extracting the tar.bz2 file into either $HOME/.kde/share/icons/hicolor or $HOME/.kde/share/icons/crystalsvg or if you want to install it systemwide (making it available even to gnome) into /usr/share/icons/hicolor or appropriate directories in your kde installation (/usr/kde/3.2/share/icons/hicolor on gentoo).
These are the best icons around. MUCH better than the official ones. I am using them quiet a time now and the fit perfect into every modern KDE iconset.
I applaud the individual who re-posted these icons. They're substantial improvements of the official images and are being freely shared for others to use with Firefox and Thunderbird. Any claims of real harm being done here are without merit.
Copyleft advocates claim to be using the copyright system in order to make ideas more free than traditional copyright licenses have allowed for, but in practice these people often stoop to the same childish game of this-is-mine-not-yours that made the notion of traditional copyright so unappealing to copyleft advocates in the first place. The irony of this seems lost on most, but it's not surprising to me since the legal basis of copyleft is the logically and ethically flawed philosophy of copyright. You can't build a house of sharing on a foundation of oppression.
The recent open source licensing craze has turned the landscape of ideas into even more of a minefield than it was before, injecting more bureaucracy and legal ambiguity. If we truly value the spirit of sharing and the freedom of information and ideas, public domain is the ethical superior to copyright/copyleft and is the only rational means to achieve these ideals.
If the collective copyright trance that our minds have been captive to remains unchallenged, revocation of the rights to artificial monopoly (copyright) and the full restoration of the public domain are not likely to be legislated in the foreseeable future--and so it must be fought for instead. It will take many acts of civil disobedience large and small (even as seemingly trivial as re-posting these icons) to progressively awaken more people until the time is right for this change to occur. As it stands, millions of people already violate copyrights every day and are at least peripherally aware that ideas and information are fundamentally different from physical property, and that illegality is not the same thing as immorality.
I dont know where I should stand morally, but I have been looking for good icons for firefox for a week. These are currently the best icons out there.
Thanks, keep up the good work. What app did you make those in if you dont mind me asking?
I am anxiously awaiting the day I can put these icons on my desktop. In the meantime another - quite obvious solution dawned on me.
It took me about 10 min. in gimp to rescale the firfox logo and clean up the edges for my own personal use. End result - I get an acceptable image for my desktop, w/out infringing on anyone rights.
To the best of my knowlege this is completely legal.
Here are the steps I took:
1) copy the included mozicon50.xcf
2) rescale to 128x128
3) create a new transparent layer behind the firefox icon.
4a) take a paint-brush, black, radius 60, hardness 90:
4b) put a circle who's outer ege just peaks out below the coarse bottom edge of the icon. (u may have to click the button a few times to get the right hardness).
5a) use the color picker to get the navy blue off the top of the icon
5b) use paint-brush, navy blue, radius 58(or 60ish), hardness 90
5c) same as before to even out the Top edge of the logo.
6) zoom in to about 400% and play with a small smuge tool around the foxes ear, and the end of his tail.
7) save as .xcf...
I'm not much of a gfx artist and this came out nice. I'm sure most ppl could do it better, quicker! Hope this helps.
Ravenslay3r
From the Mozilla website (bold added for clarity):
The logos which are built into Firefox and Thunderird by default - the globe without the fox, and the original blue bird - are explicitly not trademarked. The files themselves are available under the mozilla.org tri-license; you can do anything you like with them under those terms.
But the images still contravene Mozilla's trademark. As I said before, Mozilla have trademarked them for a reason. That reason is, to protect Mozilla from the sort of behaviour that SCO accuses US of, and (I'm afraid to say) seems just a little justified by people's insistence that licenses and trademarks are just there to be ignored.
I'm more disgusted with kde-look for continually hosting something which Mozilla has said are illegal.
Perhaps someone from Kde-Look would like to comment on their seeming inability to honour Mozilla's wishes...
I don't see what the big deal is. He made the firefox/thunderbird icons a lot better and if you like it download it and if you dont then dont. They're icons, who cares if he took them off mozilla's site, they're icons. Maybe if he took the source code and changed the ui that would be a diffrent story, but like i said before they are icons. Leave him alone. He's giving firefox some advertisement and is sharing something for a program he really likes. They're just icons.
I won't download them. As an avid user of GPL (and other open-source-licensed) applications, I strongly respect the rights of copyright holders to do as they see fit with their creations, including the licensing thereof.
If you respect copyrights, I would suggest that you remove these.
I really cannot see, what's wrong about those icons.
I mailed gerv (but got no reply yet) and watched the mozilla licensing page before - without seeing anything that would forbid creation and sharing of such icons.
Please: does anyone have a usefull link with further information on this (or to be more precise: can anyone tell me, if i'm still allowed to use different icons than that coming with the mozilla package?)
Thanks
(ps: if i'm not, mozilla should really include icons bigger than 32x32 - sorry but they're useless on my desktop (and no!: 48x48 is not ok, i prefer 128x128))
technically not, but as far as i understood gerv, i'm just not allowed to use icons different from the officially distributed ones (ok, no one can see what i'm doing on my desktop - but i'd like to honor the mozilla foundation wishes)
changing the wind'oh icons isn't that hard either, btw.
I just went and read their restrictions and in my opinion these "buttons" icons fall within their guidelines which state.
Approval is not required to put buttons expressing your support for Mozilla or our software on your web site, including the Get Firefox buttons or similar buttons you may create yourself.
These aren't "buttons expressing support for Firefox", and they haven't been placed on a web site (in the <img> sense), so that clause doesn't apply.
Gerv
gerv@mozilla.org
Could you then just please give a hint which clause they do affect (i'm not a lawyer and i couldn't read anything in the license, that would explicitly forbid to create standalone icons and use or share them)
I think a lot of guys around here are similar confused, so if you exaclty know, why this conflicts with the terms of the mozilla license - please enlighten us.
Thanks
Who are you and why have you reposted these icons knowing that it is illegal? And in response to 123go, As you can see, I did not mean what I said, and I was by no means proud of it, I just wanted people to have icons to go along with the main icon theme of KDE and gnome. And BTW, I hate SCO, and I always will, everybody that works for SCO, supports SCO, and everybody that do not dis like SCO can all kiss my ass!
the original poster included an Anti-SCO wallpaper in the archive... seemingly unaware of the irony.
In his original post he seemed proud to admit he didn't read licenses, didn't care about them - and would post these icons no matter what.
Yet he's decrying SCO, who claim EXACTLY THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS WITH LINUX USERS.
So on one hand he attacks SCO, and on the other hand gives them ammunition for their (misguided) cause.
Linux is not about misusing other's property - its about sharing willingly. Please respect the Mozilla Foundations need to protect their trademarks, because there are other companies out there keen to step on them like a bug...
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These are the best icons around. MUCH better than the official ones. I am using them quiet a time now and the fit perfect into every modern KDE iconset.
You can also get the thunderbird icon from the creator: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/2938367/
they should be happy, having good responses like that, and not to worry about any imaginary open-source related rights. *shook_head*.
I applaud the individual who re-posted these icons. They're substantial improvements of the official images and are being freely shared for others to use with Firefox and Thunderbird. Any claims of real harm being done here are without merit. Copyleft advocates claim to be using the copyright system in order to make ideas more free than traditional copyright licenses have allowed for, but in practice these people often stoop to the same childish game of this-is-mine-not-yours that made the notion of traditional copyright so unappealing to copyleft advocates in the first place. The irony of this seems lost on most, but it's not surprising to me since the legal basis of copyleft is the logically and ethically flawed philosophy of copyright. You can't build a house of sharing on a foundation of oppression. The recent open source licensing craze has turned the landscape of ideas into even more of a minefield than it was before, injecting more bureaucracy and legal ambiguity. If we truly value the spirit of sharing and the freedom of information and ideas, public domain is the ethical superior to copyright/copyleft and is the only rational means to achieve these ideals. If the collective copyright trance that our minds have been captive to remains unchallenged, revocation of the rights to artificial monopoly (copyright) and the full restoration of the public domain are not likely to be legislated in the foreseeable future--and so it must be fought for instead. It will take many acts of civil disobedience large and small (even as seemingly trivial as re-posting these icons) to progressively awaken more people until the time is right for this change to occur. As it stands, millions of people already violate copyrights every day and are at least peripherally aware that ideas and information are fundamentally different from physical property, and that illegality is not the same thing as immorality.
I dont know where I should stand morally, but I have been looking for good icons for firefox for a week. These are currently the best icons out there. Thanks, keep up the good work. What app did you make those in if you dont mind me asking?
I dont know, i like them alot. Probably the best Mozilla icons out there for firefox, and deffinently like the Thunderbird Icon.
the colours of the thunderbid icon lack of contrast blue ball, blue bird. Use more yellow. wonderful icon set
I am anxiously awaiting the day I can put these icons on my desktop. In the meantime another - quite obvious solution dawned on me. It took me about 10 min. in gimp to rescale the firfox logo and clean up the edges for my own personal use. End result - I get an acceptable image for my desktop, w/out infringing on anyone rights. To the best of my knowlege this is completely legal. Here are the steps I took: 1) copy the included mozicon50.xcf 2) rescale to 128x128 3) create a new transparent layer behind the firefox icon. 4a) take a paint-brush, black, radius 60, hardness 90: 4b) put a circle who's outer ege just peaks out below the coarse bottom edge of the icon. (u may have to click the button a few times to get the right hardness). 5a) use the color picker to get the navy blue off the top of the icon 5b) use paint-brush, navy blue, radius 58(or 60ish), hardness 90 5c) same as before to even out the Top edge of the logo. 6) zoom in to about 400% and play with a small smuge tool around the foxes ear, and the end of his tail. 7) save as .xcf... I'm not much of a gfx artist and this came out nice. I'm sure most ppl could do it better, quicker! Hope this helps. Ravenslay3r
From the Mozilla website (bold added for clarity): The logos which are built into Firefox and Thunderird by default - the globe without the fox, and the original blue bird - are explicitly not trademarked. The files themselves are available under the mozilla.org tri-license; you can do anything you like with them under those terms.
Sure - but the icons those words refer to are not the icons available for download here. The ones available here are the trademarked ones. Gerv
But the images still contravene Mozilla's trademark. As I said before, Mozilla have trademarked them for a reason. That reason is, to protect Mozilla from the sort of behaviour that SCO accuses US of, and (I'm afraid to say) seems just a little justified by people's insistence that licenses and trademarks are just there to be ignored. I'm more disgusted with kde-look for continually hosting something which Mozilla has said are illegal. Perhaps someone from Kde-Look would like to comment on their seeming inability to honour Mozilla's wishes...
why dont you contravene yourself somewhere else and leave the guy alone?
I don't see what the big deal is. He made the firefox/thunderbird icons a lot better and if you like it download it and if you dont then dont. They're icons, who cares if he took them off mozilla's site, they're icons. Maybe if he took the source code and changed the ui that would be a diffrent story, but like i said before they are icons. Leave him alone. He's giving firefox some advertisement and is sharing something for a program he really likes. They're just icons.
I won't download them. As an avid user of GPL (and other open-source-licensed) applications, I strongly respect the rights of copyright holders to do as they see fit with their creations, including the licensing thereof. If you respect copyrights, I would suggest that you remove these.
I really cannot see, what's wrong about those icons. I mailed gerv (but got no reply yet) and watched the mozilla licensing page before - without seeing anything that would forbid creation and sharing of such icons. Please: does anyone have a usefull link with further information on this (or to be more precise: can anyone tell me, if i'm still allowed to use different icons than that coming with the mozilla package?) Thanks (ps: if i'm not, mozilla should really include icons bigger than 32x32 - sorry but they're useless on my desktop (and no!: 48x48 is not ok, i prefer 128x128))
These icons have 16x16 through 128x128 sizes included.
yeah, but i'm talking about the lousy xpm that lies in my firefox folder... (i think the mac version of firefox has 128px icons)
Well, if you are using linux, it wouldnt be to hard to change the icons.
technically not, but as far as i understood gerv, i'm just not allowed to use icons different from the officially distributed ones (ok, no one can see what i'm doing on my desktop - but i'd like to honor the mozilla foundation wishes) changing the wind'oh icons isn't that hard either, btw.
I just went and read their restrictions and in my opinion these "buttons" icons fall within their guidelines which state. Approval is not required to put buttons expressing your support for Mozilla or our software on your web site, including the Get Firefox buttons or similar buttons you may create yourself.
These aren't "buttons expressing support for Firefox", and they haven't been placed on a web site (in the <img> sense), so that clause doesn't apply. Gerv gerv@mozilla.org
Could you then just please give a hint which clause they do affect (i'm not a lawyer and i couldn't read anything in the license, that would explicitly forbid to create standalone icons and use or share them) I think a lot of guys around here are similar confused, so if you exaclty know, why this conflicts with the terms of the mozilla license - please enlighten us. Thanks
Who are you and why have you reposted these icons knowing that it is illegal? And in response to 123go, As you can see, I did not mean what I said, and I was by no means proud of it, I just wanted people to have icons to go along with the main icon theme of KDE and gnome. And BTW, I hate SCO, and I always will, everybody that works for SCO, supports SCO, and everybody that do not dis like SCO can all kiss my ass!
the original poster included an Anti-SCO wallpaper in the archive... seemingly unaware of the irony. In his original post he seemed proud to admit he didn't read licenses, didn't care about them - and would post these icons no matter what. Yet he's decrying SCO, who claim EXACTLY THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS WITH LINUX USERS. So on one hand he attacks SCO, and on the other hand gives them ammunition for their (misguided) cause. Linux is not about misusing other's property - its about sharing willingly. Please respect the Mozilla Foundations need to protect their trademarks, because there are other companies out there keen to step on them like a bug...